Comments on: Wind power: it kills birds and bats. Not really, no. http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/ Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:51 -0600 hourly 1 By: kelly http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-2978 kelly Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:53:20 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-2978 Go live next to a turbine. I do. Then you tell me how many bird at bat kills there are. Then tell me how much sleep you get. How good you feel. What the maddening sound is like. And you know what else? Go in your house and turn your lights on and off. For about 2 hours. Tell me how you feel then. That's what I see with the flicker effect. Until you see all this, and experience it. STFU. Go live next to a turbine. I do. Then you tell me how many bird at bat kills there are.

Then tell me how much sleep you get.

How good you feel.

What the maddening sound is like.

And you know what else? Go in your house and turn your lights on and off. For about 2 hours. Tell me how you feel then. That’s what I see with the flicker effect.

Until you see all this, and experience it. STFU.

]]> By: Moe Anderson http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-469 Moe Anderson Tue, 22 May 2007 19:03:34 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-469 Very recently, the Delaware-Otsego Audubon Society in New York acquired (through a Freedom of Information Act) a draft report of the first year study of bird and bat deaths at the wind facility in Lewis County, New York . The company-sponsored survey estimates the annual death toll to have been between 3,103 and 6,011 birds and bats. These disturbing findings should demonstrate that the mortality rate for wind projects has been grossly minimized as most studies are proponent-driven. http://www.doas.us/maple_ridge.html Very recently, the Delaware-Otsego Audubon Society in New York acquired (through a Freedom of Information Act) a draft report of the first year study of bird and bat deaths at the wind facility in Lewis County, New York . The company-sponsored survey estimates the annual death toll to have been between 3,103 and 6,011 birds and bats. These disturbing findings should demonstrate that the mortality rate for wind projects has been grossly minimized as most studies are proponent-driven.

http://www.doas.us/maple_ridge.html

]]> By: Truemors » Wind power does not kill birds like we think it does. http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-458 Truemors » Wind power does not kill birds like we think it does. Sat, 19 May 2007 14:22:22 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-458 [...] Wind power does not kill birds like we think it does. no score link spread Science and Technology 1 minute ago by [...] [...] Wind power does not kill birds like we think it does. no score link spread Science and Technology 1 minute ago by [...]

]]> By: free_electron http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-437 free_electron Thu, 10 May 2007 02:12:06 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-437 Carl, Your email address does not work as far as I can tell. Please try again. And Dona, I think regular power production including the complete destruction of whole mountaintops for coal have destroyed more bats and birds and their habitats than any windmill farm could do. Carl, Your email address does not work as far as I can tell. Please try again.

And Dona, I think regular power production including the complete destruction of whole mountaintops for coal have destroyed more bats and birds and their habitats than any windmill farm could do.

]]> By: Carl Coles http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-423 Carl Coles Tue, 08 May 2007 17:54:46 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-423 Gentlemen, I am writing a book on the future energy situation and it looks bleak. Wind, solar, recycling, conservation and probably nuclear and geothermal will not make a difference. Please give me an email at the above address. There is only one possible solution to this and that is to develop small fusion reactors. We are close but they need funding. The alternative is unthinkable, it is total collapse of our civilization within fifty to seventy five years. Gentlemen, I am writing a book on the future energy situation and it looks bleak. Wind, solar, recycling, conservation and probably nuclear and geothermal will not make a difference. Please give me an email at the above address. There is only one possible solution to this and that is to develop small fusion reactors. We are close but they need funding. The alternative is unthinkable, it is total collapse of our civilization within fifty to seventy five years.

]]> By: Ethan K. http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-419 Ethan K. Tue, 08 May 2007 11:57:38 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-419 Dona, Every organization spins hype, so we have to always objectively study the truth. In some places where I used to live in Arizona, you could hit 10 bats just driving a few miles across towns. There are over 30 species in Arizona, and they are still going strong. The smog is the true animal killer, and people who are worried about alternative energy killing animals will realize later that it was a safer alternative all along. Dona,

Every organization spins hype, so we have to always objectively study the truth. In some places where I used to live in Arizona, you could hit 10 bats just driving a few miles across towns. There are over 30 species in Arizona, and they are still going strong. The smog is the true animal killer, and people who are worried about alternative energy killing animals will realize later that it was a safer alternative all along.

]]> By: Dona Tracy http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and/comment-page-1/#comment-418 Dona Tracy Tue, 08 May 2007 10:48:05 +0000 http://www.energyrefuge.com/blog/wind-power-it-kills-birds-and-bats-not-really-no/#comment-418 What bunk! Check out Bat Conservation International's website to see just how wrong you are about bat kills. As to birds, many years ago before the science came into the picture no one thought cats were a problem for birds (sound familiar?) in fact cats were seen as excellent mousers and allowed to roam free. The science is just being applied to wind farms and the evidence is rolling in from all across the globe that industrial wind farms kill birds and bats by the millions. As this issue is studied and wind farms grow the problem will be magnified and the destruction apparent. What bunk! Check out Bat Conservation International’s website to see just how wrong you are about bat kills. As to birds, many years ago before the science came into the picture no one thought cats were a problem for birds (sound familiar?) in fact cats were seen as excellent mousers and allowed to roam free. The science is just being applied to wind farms and the evidence is rolling in from all across the globe that industrial wind farms kill birds and bats by the millions. As this issue is studied and wind farms grow the problem will be magnified and the destruction apparent.

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